LarryMc3 said: I think they should suspend him for half the season, during which time he should play in the UFL to work the kinks out, and show NFL teams that he does still have it
LarryMc3 said: I think they should suspend him for half the season, during which time he should play in the UFL to work the kinks out, and show NFL teams that he does still have it
Why punish him for the same crime twice?
augie said: yeah, the whole dog fighting was irrelevant to the nfl itself. and also, other players in the nfl have faced jail time
drummerstar said: OF COURSE HE SHOULD PLAY!!!!! he did his time now the guy should be able to get on with his life... besides he never should have gone to jail in the first place.. STUPID DOGS??? pit bulls are bred to fight, just like grey hounds are bred to run!
dog fighting is never ok, but he did do his time.
Whats really messed up is his brother marcus getting blacklisted for (in my opinion) an honest mistake. Maybe he will get picked up by was the UFL.
drummerstar said: OF COURSE HE SHOULD PLAY!!!!! he did his time now the guy should be able to get on with his life... besides he never should have gone to jail in the first place.. STUPID DOGS??? pit bulls are bred to fight, just like grey hounds are bred to run! daunte stallworth kills a guy whose crossing the street,, oh i forgot to mention he was driving while DRUNK! the guys gets 22 days in jail for killing a human being !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so a dogs life is more important than a humans life?????? yea fu@#$%@ right!!!!
drummerstar said: no you are retarded for putting more value on a stupid animals life who has NO significant value to society over the life of a human being.. dog fighting has been and will always be around... you people act as if you don't know this! just because he was a "celebrity/high paid athlete he was simply used as an example... it's the truth so deal with it... why aren't you super animal lovers in an outrage over hunting.. i mean killing an animal to put on a wall to give yourself a pat on the back because you "shot one bigger than the next guy" please, give me a break! the guy did his time, let him move on and make living as a football player... you idots have committed crimes as well, you just didn't GET CAUGHT!
i think they should let him back in the nfl because everyone makes mistakes im sure theres more celebs thats doing illegal and dumb shit likes this all the time, and im sure the majority people in this world do illegal and dumb shit.
i like dogs and all but if there going to ban vick they should ban all the other football players who drink and drive, take drugs, and the other illegal shit that they do.
Michael Vick is a black eye for the NFL. Goddell is trying to make players accountable for their off-field actions by putting their jobs on the line. They need to make an example of Vick. At this point if they don't then it's just setting precedent.
augie said: yeah, the whole dog fighting was irrelevant to the nfl itself. and also, other players in the nfl have faced jail time
This is exactly how I feel. He funded dog fights. In all other countries but the US, that type of stuff is legal. I'm not saying I think it's okay or anything. I'm just saying, a lot of people are desensitized to that type of thing. Also, if he had kept the whole thing in virginia, then the only punishment would've been a $200 fine. The factor that made it a big deal was that he was operating across state lines which made it a federal crime vs a state crime.
drummerstar said: no you are retarded for putting more value on a stupid animals life who has NO significant value to society over the life of a human being.. dog fighting has been and will always be around... you people act as if you don't know this! just because he was a "celebrity/high paid athlete he was simply used as an example... it's the truth so deal with it... why aren't you super animal lovers in an outrage over hunting.. i mean killing an animal to put on a wall to give yourself a pat on the back because you "shot one bigger than the next guy" please, give me a break! the guy did his time, let him move on and make living as a football player... you idots have committed crimes as well, you just didn't GET CAUGHT!
augie said: yeah, the whole dog fighting was irrelevant to the nfl itself. and also, other players in the nfl have faced jail time
This is exactly how I feel. He funded dog fights. In all other countries but the US, that type of stuff is legal.
no its not?
dude...yeah it is.
The Cruelty to Animals Act 1835 of England and Wales was the first legislation in the world that made dogfighting illegal.
Have you ever been to the Philippines? They make everything fight. It may not be legal technically (I was basically just guessing with that, lol) but I can assure you, nobody over there cares. And just the other day, someone posted video here about animal cruelty, dogs being brutally killed, to be cooked and sold as food. At least when two dogs fight, one of them lives. Being killed and eaten leaves no dogs standing.
no one is saying punish him twice, imprisonment is punishment, not being allowed to play football in a specific league is merely a consequence to your actions. the National Football League is not a government institution, it is a business. Killing fucking dogs is bad for business. Being a superstar player who makes his millions by being a face of the league, if you fuck that up it is on you.
the NFL has no obligation to ever let him back. he has severely tarnished their rep. perfect example. if you work at McDonalds, and you get on your local news for putting cats in the deep fryer you are going to jail. now, you get out of jail, does McDonalds have to hire you back? hell fucking no! the NFL is a business just like mcdonalds and playing for them is a privilege not a right.
i am not an extremist either way, i can see why the one moron in this thread is being so extreme towards the anti-animal rights thing, but i can also see why people are being hypocritical. if i were Roger Goodell, i would never let him back purely from a business standpoint, he fucked my business so why the fuck would i want that moron back?
bottom line, fuck Michael Vick not because he killed, tortured, burned animals for pleasure, but fuck michael vick because he isn't entitled to shit. playing in the NFL was a privilege that he fucked up on his own so play in the CFL and shut your fucking mouth.
How is this getting overlooked!?!?!
Anyway, I concur. The NFL is a business. Why would/should they let the dude back? More celebrities/athletes need to be held accountable for their actions.
augie said: yeah, the whole dog fighting was irrelevant to the nfl itself. and also, other players in the nfl have faced jail time
This is exactly how I feel. He funded dog fights. In all other countries but the US, that type of stuff is legal.
no its not?
dude...yeah it is.
The Cruelty to Animals Act 1835 of England and Wales was the first legislation in the world that made dogfighting illegal.
Have you ever been to the Philippines? They make everything fight. It may not be legal technically (I was basically just guessing with that, lol) but I can assure you, nobody over there cares. And just the other day, someone posted video here about animal cruelty, dogs being brutally killed, to be cooked and sold as food. At least when two dogs fight, one of them lives. Being killed and eaten leaves no dogs standing.
I didnt know you were talking about the Philippines, they have different customs etc.. it still doesn't make either of them right.
Yeah, I'm definitely against it, but I'm saying I don't think his career should be ruined because of it. It would be a waste of such great talent.
Travis Cook said: I don't think his career should be ruined because of it. It would be a waste of such great talent.
but hes a scumbag. he does not deserve to play. i dont understand how everyone could want to overlook what he did. where do you draw the line? what if he raped someone? what if he tortured children? what if he was a pedophile? when do you stop saying it would be a waste of talent to disallow him black into the NFL?
Travis Cook said: I don't think his career should be ruined because of it. It would be a waste of such great talent.
but hes a scumbag. he does not deserve to play. i dont understand how everyone could want to overlook what he did. where do you draw the line? what if he raped someone? what if he tortured children? what if he was a pedophile? when do you stop saying it would be a waste of talent to disallow him black into the NFL?
haha, you can't compare humans and animals dude. People EAT fucking dogs man. They may be "man's best friend" but they're still animals. (still not saying it's okay, don't freak out!)
I hate the "they don't/do do this in other countries" argument. they cut peoples hadns off for stealing a stick of gum in other countries, would you be stoked on that happening here?
regardless of what other countries do, the law here says you can't participate in that. if Vick didn't like it, he could have very easily afforded to go to a country where they do allow it.
fyi - I'm not hating on you, Travis Cook. just stating my piece haha
justinryan said: I hate the "they don't/do do this in other countries" argument. they cut peoples hadns off for stealing a stick of gum in other countries, would you be stoked on that happening here?
regardless of what other countries do, the law here says you can't participate in that. if Vick didn't like it, he could have very easily afforded to go to a country where they do allow it.
fyi - I'm not hating on you, Travis Cook. just stating my piece haha
Mike Vick broke the law yes. However, that doesn't mean he should not be allowed to play football after serving his time and paying his debt to society. I think he should be allowed to play football. Just like he would be allowed to work at Mcdonalds or any other company in the United States if they hired him.
Travis Cook said: I don't think his career should be ruined because of it. It would be a waste of such great talent.
but hes a scumbag. he does not deserve to play. i dont understand how everyone could want to overlook what he did. where do you draw the line? what if he raped someone? what if he tortured children? what if he was a pedophile? when do you stop saying it would be a waste of talent to disallow him black into the NFL?
haha, you can't compare humans and animals dude. People EAT fucking dogs man. They may be "man's best friend" but they're still animals. (still not saying it's okay, don't freak out!)
so you are saying he can commit any crime against animals and it would be okay, but you draw the line at people, correct? im not freaking out, im asking where you draw the line; im asking what crime is too much.
also, i never compared humans to animals. i asked where you draw the line, and you gave me your answer. you draw the line at humans.
can he commit any offense towards any sub-human animal and still be allowed to play? im not freaking out travis, im just wondering when you would say enough is enough?
justinryan said: I hate the "they don't/do do this in other countries" argument. they cut peoples hadns off for stealing a stick of gum in other countries, would you be stoked on that happening here?
regardless of what other countries do, the law here says you can't participate in that. if Vick didn't like it, he could have very easily afforded to go to a country where they do allow it.
fyi - I'm not hating on you, Travis Cook. just stating my piece haha
Mike Vick broke the law yes. However, that doesn't mean he should not be allowed to play football after serving his time and paying his debt to society. I think he should be allowed to play football. Just like he would be allowed to work at Mcdonalds or any other company in the United States if they hired him.
no that is where you are completely missing the point. if he worked at mcdonalds, and did something fucked up that got on the news and caused a lot of people to not want to go to that mcdonalds anymore does that mcdonalds have to give him his job back when he gets out of jail? fuck no they dont. they can if they WANT to, but he entitled to get his job back. he can go to another restaurant (CFL) and try to work there, if they want him.
he knew what he was doing. he gambled with his career and lost, if he never plays in the NFL again that is 100% him.
It's different though. Although the NFL is a business, it's not a single entity. It's an overseeing organization. So without the separate parts that make up the organization, you have nothing. A Mcdonalds franchise could easily hire Mike Vick back and the corporate offices wouldn't be able to do anything about it. However, in this case, the NFL would be telling its 30 teams that they can't hire him back. There are NFL teams out there that want Mike Vick, but the NFL as an organization would be telling them that they cant.
And I know NFL teams agree to be a part of the organization so that's one point for your argument.
why suspend him when no other team then the stupid ass raiders would even consider having this ass hole in the franchise they own? What owner besides Al Davis would want someone like Vick? Anyone who abuses animals or bets on animals forced into fighting is a pathetic excuse for a human being and doesn't deserve to be rewarded with millions of dollars playing on a professional sports team. fuck you Vick!
Time Without the E said: why suspend him when no other team then the stupid ass raiders would even consider having this ass hole in the franchise they own? What owner besides Al Davis would want someone like Vick? Anyone who abuses animals or bets on animals forced into fighting is a pathetic excuse for a human being and doesn't deserve to be rewarded with millions of dollars playing on a professional sports team. fuck you Vick!
Do you consider how we obtain the majority of our foods in this country to be abuse of animals or do you just mean animals that we don't eat?
Time Without the E said: why suspend him when no other team then the stupid ass raiders would even consider having this ass hole in the franchise they own? What owner besides Al Davis would want someone like Vick? Anyone who abuses animals or bets on animals forced into fighting is a pathetic excuse for a human being and doesn't deserve to be rewarded with millions of dollars playing on a professional sports team. fuck you Vick!
Do you consider how we obtain the majority of our foods in this country to be abuse of animals or do you just mean animals that we don't eat?
Well killing is part of nature and always will be but its how we kill cows, chickens etc. that we eat. Just because we kill them doesn't mean we have to torture them or have the animal be in a pain when they die. I eat meat everyday and its my favorite thing in the world is a fatty steak but I would never want an animal to be tortured or in so much pain before I ate it or I wouldn't eat it if it was from a farm I knew did these kinds of things. There are bad farms that do these poor things and there are farms that do these make living for the animals good and the way of killing them is fast and not torturing them. And you can't really compare 90% of farms out there to what Micheal Vick did.
justinryan said: I hate the "they don't/do do this in other countries" argument. they cut peoples hadns off for stealing a stick of gum in other countries, would you be stoked on that happening here?
regardless of what other countries do, the law here says you can't participate in that. if Vick didn't like it, he could have very easily afforded to go to a country where they do allow it.
fyi - I'm not hating on you, Travis Cook. just stating my piece haha
Mike Vick broke the law yes. However, that doesn't mean he should not be allowed to play football after serving his time and paying his debt to society. I think he should be allowed to play football. Just like he would be allowed to work at Mcdonalds or any other company in the United States if they hired him.
no that is where you are completely missing the point. if he worked at mcdonalds, and did something fucked up that got on the news and caused a lot of people to not want to go to that mcdonalds anymore does that mcdonalds have to give him his job back when he gets out of jail? fuck no they dont. they can if they WANT to, but he entitled to get his job back. he can go to another restaurant (CFL) and try to work there, if they want him.
he knew what he was doing. he gambled with his career and lost, if he never plays in the NFL again that is 100% him.
It's different though. Although the NFL is a business, it's not a single entity. It's an overseeing organization. So without the separate parts that make up the organization, you have nothing. A Mcdonalds franchise could easily hire Mike Vick back and the corporate offices wouldn't be able to do anything about it. However, in this case, the NFL would be telling its 30 teams that they can't hire him back. There are NFL teams out there that want Mike Vick, but the NFL as an organization would be telling them that they cant.
And I know NFL teams agree to be a part of the organization so that's one point for your argument.
you're totally wrong if you think that mcdonalds corporate office couldn't tell a franchisee what to do, they can. same goes for the NFL. they take these steps because if vick comes back and it reflects poorly on the NFL that hurts everyone involved.
now listen, i am actually all for him coming back, i think he served his time (i dont think it was enough time, but he payed his debt) and i think he should be allowed to play. But to say the NFL MUST allow him to play is going too far. if they want to that is great, i will watch, but i back them if they decide they don't want him also. vick fucked his whole situation up, not the NFL, they are now forced to clean up his mess and keeping him out of the league just might be their best option.
i personally would like to see him play, but i will not be mad at the NFL for doing what is best for their business.
From what I learned in school, a franchisor can place restrictions on franchisees. However, these restrictions usually revolve around the types of goods and services they can sell, methods of operation, and where they can have locations. I am not aware of these restrictions including limiting a single person from being hired. Franchisors can terminate agreements with franchisees but would probably have a hard time being able to terminate an agreement based on the hiring of one person.
Travis Cook said: I don't think his career should be ruined because of it. It would be a waste of such great talent.
but hes a scumbag. he does not deserve to play. i dont understand how everyone could want to overlook what he did. where do you draw the line? what if he raped someone? what if he tortured children? what if he was a pedophile? when do you stop saying it would be a waste of talent to disallow him black into the NFL?
haha, you can't compare humans and animals dude. People EAT fucking dogs man. They may be "man's best friend" but they're still animals. (still not saying it's okay, don't freak out!)
so you are saying he can commit any crime against animals and it would be okay, but you draw the line at people, correct? im not freaking out, im asking where you draw the line; im asking what crime is too much.
also, i never compared humans to animals. i asked where you draw the line, and you gave me your answer. you draw the line at humans.
can he commit any offense towards any sub-human animal and still be allowed to play? im not freaking out travis, im just wondering when you would say enough is enough?
Oh, I wasn't saying you were freaking out. I see where that could come from though. Just saying for myself personally, I just don't see a correlation between football and dog fights. He already lost everything. That's just my 2 cents.
LarryMc3 said: I think they should suspend him for half the season, during which time he should play in the UFL to work the kinks out, and show NFL teams that he does still have it
Why punish him for the same crime twice?
no one is saying punish him twice, imprisonment is punishment, not being allowed to play football in a specific league is merely a consequence to your actions. the National Football League is not a government institution, it is a business. Killing fucking dogs is bad for business. Being a superstar player who makes his millions by being a face of the league, if you fuck that up it is on you.
the NFL has no obligation to ever let him back. he has severely tarnished their rep. perfect example. if you work at McDonalds, and you get on your local news for putting cats in the deep fryer you are going to jail. now, you get out of jail, does McDonalds have to hire you back? hell fucking no! the NFL is a business just like mcdonalds and playing for them is a privilege not a right.
i am not an extremist either way, i can see why the one moron in this thread is being so extreme towards the anti-animal rights thing, but i can also see why people are being hypocritical. if i were Roger Goodell, i would never let him back purely from a business standpoint, he fucked my business so why the fuck would i want that moron back?
bottom line, fuck Michael Vick not because he killed, tortured, burned animals for pleasure, but fuck michael vick because he isn't entitled to shit. playing in the NFL was a privilege that he fucked up on his own so play in the CFL and shut your fucking mouth.
I see your point. but their are teams interested in Vick. I don't beleive in anyway the nfl should be telling teams(businesses in their own right) who they can and can not hire.
i think he should play. For the most part people tend to forget when athletes or people in sports related professions fuck up. Remember when kobe raped that chick? or when mike tyson raped that chick? or when marv albert bit that chick? Basically, unless you are OJ, you pretty much get a clean slate in the public's eye.
drummerstar said: what he did was wrong period! BUT, to deny someone to make a living is wrong.. if that's the case every single person on the earth would be jobless... why? because no one is perfect.. we all do stupid stuff! the difference is we didn;t get caught.. it's easy to cast stones when it's not you.. whether you fought dogs or sent an email you shouldn't have, you still desrve a chance to make a living... you can't say fighting dogs is different than anything else cause everyone has there on opinions of what is extreme... so i'm sure if it were you or someone close to you then you would think differently... it's dogs we're talking about here! not HUMAN LIVES! how does a person kill another human being and only spend 20 days in jail.. i mean the thought of the person not being able to see their kids, wife, love ones because of someone's stupid actions only to be slapped on the wrist is A SHAME...you won't see a crowd of people protesting about that!!! GUESS YOU HAVE TO BE A DOG THESE DAYS!!!!!!
how is the NFL not hiring vick denying him a way to make a living?! denying him making a living would be the government is stepping in and saying he cannot play football, not ONE company saying they do not want him as an employee anymore. the NFL is a private company that can decide to hire or fire any one of its employees whether it is a janitor or a quarterback.
he could easily go play in the CFL or any euro league and make plenty of money. if the NFL doesn't want him then that is fine, if they let him back that is fine too. this isn't really that difficult of a concept to grasp.
Danimal- so the franchisor didn't want to fire the kids after discovering they were messing with people's food?
The NFL is not a private company. It's a 501c6, I thinks thats what its called. Forgive me if i'm wrong. It's like a nonprofit organization but its not like formal. Again, my degree was in Sports Management but it's been awhile, so forgive me if i'm wrong. The point is, the nfl is controlled by its members. The owners of all the individual teams really have the control. So it's not a normal private company.
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augie said about 3 years ago
Chaddoesdesign said about 3 years ago
Why punish him for the same crime twice?
Benzoe88 said about 3 years ago
Truman325i said about 3 years ago
NinetyOneDesigns said about 3 years ago
Chaddoesdesign said about 3 years ago
dog fighting is never ok, but he did do his time.
Whats really messed up is his brother marcus getting blacklisted for (in my opinion) an honest mistake. Maybe he will get picked up by was the UFL.
volatile v said about 3 years ago
are you SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chaddoesdesign said about 3 years ago
Your stupidity astounds me.
quakerninja said about 3 years ago
Benzoe88 said about 3 years ago
i like dogs and all but if there going to ban vick they should ban all the other football players who drink and drive, take drugs, and the other illegal shit that they do.
Geoff May said about 3 years ago
biotwist said about 3 years ago
Travis Cook said about 3 years ago
This is exactly how I feel.
He funded dog fights. In all other countries but the US, that type of stuff is legal. I'm not saying I think it's okay or anything. I'm just saying, a lot of people are desensitized to that type of thing. Also, if he had kept the whole thing in virginia, then the only punishment would've been a $200 fine. The factor that made it a big deal was that he was operating across state lines which made it a federal crime vs a state crime.
Travis Cook said about 3 years ago
dude...yeah it is.
augie said about 3 years ago
who said hunting was alright?
Travis Cook said about 3 years ago
Have you ever been to the Philippines? They make everything fight. It may not be legal technically (I was basically just guessing with that, lol) but I can assure you, nobody over there cares. And just the other day, someone posted video here about animal cruelty, dogs being brutally killed, to be cooked and sold as food. At least when two dogs fight, one of them lives. Being killed and eaten leaves no dogs standing.
8-bit ZOMBIE said about 3 years ago
How is this getting overlooked!?!?!
Anyway, I concur. The NFL is a business. Why would/should they let the dude back? More celebrities/athletes need to be held accountable for their actions.
I hate football.
Travis Cook said about 3 years ago
Yeah, I'm definitely against it, but I'm saying I don't think his career should be ruined because of it. It would be a waste of such great talent.
andrE w. said about 3 years ago
but hes a scumbag. he does not deserve to play. i dont understand how everyone could want to overlook what he did. where do you draw the line? what if he raped someone? what if he tortured children? what if he was a pedophile? when do you stop saying it would be a waste of talent to disallow him black into the NFL?
Travis Cook said about 3 years ago
haha, you can't compare humans and animals dude. People EAT fucking dogs man. They may be "man's best friend" but they're still animals. (still not saying it's okay, don't freak out!)
justinryan said about 3 years ago
regardless of what other countries do, the law here says you can't participate in that. if Vick didn't like it, he could have very easily afforded to go to a country where they do allow it.
fyi - I'm not hating on you, Travis Cook. just stating my piece haha
David Merritt said about 3 years ago
Mike Vick broke the law yes. However, that doesn't mean he should not be allowed to play football after serving his time and paying his debt to society. I think he should be allowed to play football. Just like he would be allowed to work at Mcdonalds or any other company in the United States if they hired him.
andrE w. said about 3 years ago
so you are saying he can commit any crime against animals and it would be okay, but you draw the line at people, correct? im not freaking out, im asking where you draw the line; im asking what crime is too much.
also, i never compared humans to animals. i asked where you draw the line, and you gave me your answer. you draw the line at humans.
can he commit any offense towards any sub-human animal and still be allowed to play? im not freaking out travis, im just wondering when you would say enough is enough?
David Merritt said about 3 years ago
It's different though. Although the NFL is a business, it's not a single entity. It's an overseeing organization. So without the separate parts that make up the organization, you have nothing. A Mcdonalds franchise could easily hire Mike Vick back and the corporate offices wouldn't be able to do anything about it. However, in this case, the NFL would be telling its 30 teams that they can't hire him back. There are NFL teams out there that want Mike Vick, but the NFL as an organization would be telling them that they cant.
And I know NFL teams agree to be a part of the organization so that's one point for your argument.
Time Without the E said about 3 years ago
fuck you Vick!
David Merritt said about 3 years ago
Do you consider how we obtain the majority of our foods in this country to be abuse of animals or do you just mean animals that we don't eat?
Time Without the E said about 3 years ago
Well killing is part of nature and always will be but its how we kill cows, chickens etc. that we eat. Just because we kill them doesn't mean we have to torture them or have the animal be in a pain when they die. I eat meat everyday and its my favorite thing in the world is a fatty steak but I would never want an animal to be tortured or in so much pain before I ate it or I wouldn't eat it if it was from a farm I knew did these kinds of things. There are bad farms that do these poor things and there are farms that do these make living for the animals good and the way of killing them is fast and not torturing them. And you can't really compare 90% of farms out there to what Micheal Vick did.
David Merritt said about 3 years ago
From what I learned in school, a franchisor can place restrictions on franchisees. However, these restrictions usually revolve around the types of goods and services they can sell, methods of operation, and where they can have locations. I am not aware of these restrictions including limiting a single person from being hired. Franchisors can terminate agreements with franchisees but would probably have a hard time being able to terminate an agreement based on the hiring of one person.
Travis Cook said about 3 years ago
Oh, I wasn't saying you were freaking out. I see where that could come from though. Just saying for myself personally, I just don't see a correlation between football and dog fights. He already lost everything. That's just my 2 cents.
Chaddoesdesign said about 3 years ago
I see your point. but their are teams interested in Vick. I don't beleive in anyway the nfl should be telling teams(businesses in their own right) who they can and can not hire.
derekdeal said about 3 years ago
David Merritt said about 3 years ago
Danimal- so the franchisor didn't want to fire the kids after discovering they were messing with people's food?
The NFL is not a private company. It's a 501c6, I thinks thats what its called. Forgive me if i'm wrong. It's like a nonprofit organization but its not like formal. Again, my degree was in Sports Management but it's been awhile, so forgive me if i'm wrong. The point is, the nfl is controlled by its members. The owners of all the individual teams really have the control. So it's not a normal private company.
Chaddoesdesign said about 3 years ago
edword said about 3 years ago